Tulpa.info - tulpa-questions

i've thought about making a tulpa for a while now, or a fictive or any of the such, and one roadblock has got in my way? do they see all your memories? cause some of mine are... embarrasing.

memories are shared, yes. None of my tulpas have made fun of me for them, though.

oh and one more thing. can tulpas just.. fuckin assume control?

no

i've uhh, gotten mixed responses on that one in the past.

not without lots of practice. If you let them control for a very long time they potentially could? Maybe? But that would be a lot of intentional work to get there.

3:48 AM

it’s not something you have to worry about at all.

sorry I just have a lot of questions, i think i have 1-2 more things...

3:48 AM

making this is scary for me

I’ve got no problem with answering questions

and i want to see if i actually want to commit.

Luminesce: Both possession (controlling body parts or the whole body) and switching (switching places with your tulpa so they are the one plugged into the body's senses and thoughts instead of you) are skills you have to train on purpose And most people never purposely practice tulpas being able to initiate that process on their own unless the host is like emotionally unstable and wants their tulpas to take over for them sometimes, but that's... Well, not standard. (edited)

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so... do tulpas feel trapped inside the head of the person who is the host?

3:49 AM

cause i could never do that to someone

I’ve had one that feels that way a little bit sometimes… but otherwise no. Pretty sure it’s not normal. It doesn’t feel like being trapped I don’t think.

Luminesce: The short answer to a long list of questions about tulpamancy is that your beliefs and expectations shape the entire experience. If you imagine a mental companion who'd enjoy talking with you, that's generally what you'd get, but if for some reason you imagine a person who feels trapped in your mind and doesn't like you, that's also what you'd get (edited)

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and can i hide certain memories from them? (haha i have trauma :D)

Reisen

Luminesce: The short answer to a long list of questions about tulpamancy is that your beliefs and expectations shape the entire experience. If you imagine a mental companion who'd enjoy talking with you, that's generally what you'd get, but if for some reason you imagine a person who feels trapped in your mind and doesn't like you, that's also what you'd get (edited)

oh, really? this makes me feel a lot better about it.

There's nothing to be afraid of unless you have trouble distinguishing random thoughts from reality, like with schizophrenia, in which case developing attachment to imaginary experiences that are potentially outside of your control becomes dangerous in that sense.

umm If you think about them, they will likely see them?

k good

3:52 AM

well

3:52 AM

mixed bag there but mostly good.

Reisen

There's nothing to be afraid of unless you have trouble distinguishing random thoughts from reality, like with schizophrenia, in which case developing attachment to imaginary experiences that are potentially outside of your control becomes dangerous in that sense.

I've already been tested for that.

Reisen

There's nothing to be afraid of unless you have trouble distinguishing random thoughts from reality, like with schizophrenia, in which case developing attachment to imaginary experiences that are potentially outside of your control becomes dangerous in that sense.

(If you don't have that sort of problem, then experiences are naturally within your control)

so I don't worry about it.

3:53 AM

thanks for the help guys, i'm gonna try to start it and see what happens...

3:53 AM

fuck i have another question

3:53 AM

i'm sorry

no need to be sorry!

That was pretty fast to have your fears assuaged, lol

it is the questions channel

so... how do I grant the tulpa as much freedom as possible? I don't want to shift them in any one way or the other, cause you know, i wouldn't like my personality getting messed with by anyone else. (edited)

Reisen

That was pretty fast to have your fears assuaged, lol

they were pretty minor in the grand scheme of things

don’t force them into being a certain way. If they say they want to change, let them change.

also fancy word lol

Luminesce: Let me double down on the fact that your beliefs and intentions shape all of your internal experiences. There is no "real" or "fake" in your mind - only what you experience, and that experience itself is up for different interpretations that are also up to you. If anything is ever "not how you want it", like a developing tulpa appearing to have changed their form for no reason to something you don't like, your simple belief that that's just a random thought and not meaningful is all it takes to make that "real"/really the case, because you have the final say in how any internal experiences are interpreted. (edited)

your actions could very likely influence their personality, but that’s just how it works. People are affected by their environment. Nothing to worry about, as long as you aren’t mean

Tulpas do of course become more resistant to random thoughts or to your vague influence as they become more developed as people over time, and they differ from simple "imaginary friends" in that way, but I'm mostly talking about the development process.

back

Reisen

Luminesce: Let me double down on the fact that your beliefs and intentions shape all of your internal experiences. There is no "real" or "fake" in your mind - only what you experience, and that experience itself is up for different interpretations that are also up to you. If anything is ever "not how you want it", like a developing tulpa appearing to have changed their form for no reason to something you don't like, your simple belief that that's just a random thought and not meaningful is all it takes to make that "real"/really the case, because you have the final say in how any internal experiences are interpreted. (edited)

really?

None of these problems should be relevant anymore with a developed tulpa who you can simply have conversations with about any such things, like "Did you want to change your form, or was that just a random thought?"

3:58 AM

But until then, knowing what I just said is important

3:58 AM

(can help with invasive thoughts during visualization and such afterwards, as well)

so...

3:59 AM

i think i understand what you're trying to say.

tytech038

really?

Luminesce: I've had tulpas (who I love and treat as lifelong mental companions) for 13+ years and I've stuck around this community (primarily the forum though) for the last 9 of them just to help people, because tulpas' potential to be a positive experience is so high in my experience I wanted to help others have similar ones. (edited)

3:59 AM

So yes, really

what my beliefs and intentions are shape my experience with my tulpa?

4:00 AM

or the creation process?

read that wrong oops

4:00 AM

I’d say both

Things like believing that they're going to be an independent person in your mind starts creating that experience over time, believing that they'll be such-and-such kind of person strongly influences how they will be initially (before they start just growing as any person does by acquiring more experiences), and believing that they have literally no reason to ""be evil!!!"" or otherwise want to hurt you or the mind/body that they share

all of that kind of stuff is shaped by your belief in it, yes, because how you interpret internal experiences in your own mind is the only "realness" to them.

Reisen

Things like believing that they're going to be an independent person in your mind starts creating that experience over time, believing that they'll be such-and-such kind of person strongly influences how they will be initially (before they start just growing as any person does by acquiring more experiences), and believing that they have literally no reason to ""be evil!!!"" or otherwise want to hurt you or the mind/body that they share

all of that kind of stuff is shaped by your belief in it, yes, because how you interpret internal experiences in your own mind is the only "realness" to them.

that's actually

4:03 AM

a really good answer

Luminesce: Though that's why it can be dangerous for people with schizophrenia or other problems differentiating random fluff or invasive thoughts from meaningful ones, because all tulpamancy would mean to them is getting emotionally attached to thoughts they might not be able to control. (edited)

Reisen

Luminesce: Though that's why it can be dangerous for people with schizophrenia or other problems differentiating random fluff or invasive thoughts from meaningful ones, because all tulpamancy would mean to them is getting emotionally attached to thoughts they might not be able to control. (edited)

yeah, i could see how that would happen.

I’ve made a few mistakes when it comes to doubts…

Skyler 🐉

I’ve made a few mistakes when it comes to doubts…

what do you mean?

Otherwise, for a healthy brain, the only way a tulpa turns out negative is by having bad beliefs about the process. As strong as "Believing you're being haunted by a poltergeist who wants to hurt you", or as little as "Believing your tulpa is a person trapped in your head who only wants out"

Reisen

Otherwise, for a healthy brain, the only way a tulpa turns out negative is by having bad beliefs about the process. As strong as "Believing you're being haunted by a poltergeist who wants to hurt you", or as little as "Believing your tulpa is a person trapped in your head who only wants out"

sorry for asking these questions, i just wanted to know.

I think I accidentally hurt one of my tulpas once… worry of them not coming back had made them disappear for a long time

Luminesce: Shaping your experience negatively creates a negative experience. That's why the Tulpa.info community is so important to me though, because giving people the best ideas of what to expect literally creates the best experiences. (edited)

Reisen

Luminesce: Shaping your experience negatively creates a negative experience. That's why the Tulpa.info community is so important to me though, because giving people the best ideas of what to expect literally creates the best experiences. (edited)

really?

4:06 AM

i like your plan with that.

I think I accidentally hurt one of my tulpas once… worry of them not coming back had made them disappear for a long time

@Skyler

(@Oragamal) - jump however I would think the right mindset can fix this

4:07 AM

ick, tupper replies…

well, thanks for the info guys.

4:09 AM

i actually feel a lot better about following through with it.

4:09 AM

thanks!

Yw! I should probably go to sleep now, it’s quite late.

is it possible for 2 tulpas to talk at exactly the same time?

2:02 PM

if yes

2:02 PM

that's what happened to me and now i'm trying to do it again

2:02 PM

and i can't

2:04 PM

it's like their voices mixed, one was louder and the other was a lower sound

2:04 PM

then when i tried to do it again

2:04 PM

i couldn't

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the closest thing that happened was

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one saying something

2:04 PM

and the other responding really fast afterwards

Adeus.

it's like their voices mixed, one was louder and the other was a lower sound

i meant as a mental voice but you get it

if you are incapable of understanding both tulpas at the same time (not switching from listening to one and then another) even if they seem to speak at the same time it means there is just a sensation of both of them doing it rather than actually having two parallel sources of communication but that’s ok and not something you should expect to achieve

4:54 PM

regarding quick answers you might sometimes feel you get an answer while you are still asking the question but that’s because you don’t need to form the sentence for tulpa to know what you want to ask since you share the brain

Forming sentences is so inefficient right!

Leiko

if you are incapable of understanding both tulpas at the same time (not switching from listening to one and then another) even if they seem to speak at the same time it means there is just a sensation of both of them doing it rather than actually having two parallel sources of communication but that’s ok and not something you should expect to achieve

i understood what they said

9:45 PM

at the same time

9:46 PM

but i forgot what they said now because im dumb lol

I’ve had little moments of two thoughts at the same time. Sol sometimes says two words at the same time. Just kinda something that happens sometimes, though we can’t seem to intentionally replicate it.

Something I've been meaning to ask. How exactly do people focus while forcing? Almost every time I've attempted lately my thoughts have without fail trailed off quickly. I think part of it is also not having a concrete idea of what I should be doing and thus end up easily getting lost

@Will the Servine - jump what stage of creating the tulpa are you on?

11:34 AM

and what method are you using?

Hi, I am not a host, but I am considering becoming one, and I had some questions and concerns before I get involved. This will be a long post because my concerns won't make much sense unless I give my account of why they might happen, sorry. 1. My theory of why tulpamancy works is that when thoughts come into existence, they are not necessarily tied to any ego, though the ego is a bit tied to what thoughts arise. Tulpamancy creates another ego that some of the thoughts are filtered into, and as a result, some of the thoughts take on the persona and can be communicated to the host. (and visa versa) My concern is that there is only so much computing power in the brain, and it seems possible that "directing" thoughts into another persona would lead to some kind of deficiency of some sort in the host's mental abilities and personality. Potentially, this could either manifest as slower cognition in the host, or a loss of a part of their personality because of the thoughts that would reflect that part instead "going to" the tulpa. All this is abstract, but a concrete thing that would ease this concern for me is if nobody here noticed any loss of any sort of mental abilities or negative change in an aspect of their personality after making a tulpa or tulpas. 2. How much time per day is reasonable to force? I am a bit busy in college, and cannot dedicate more than probably 30 minutes to force a day. Is this enough time? 3. Does a tulpa benefit someone more than having a "normal" friend? If I have all of my social needs already met, would it be worth the effort of making a tulpa? If so, why? Are there ways in which a tulpa is "worse" than a normal friend? I understand that tulpas are not for everyone, and that is why I am posting this. I do not feel a strong pull either way, but if these criteria are satisfied, I will put in the effort and do it right. Thanks. (edited)

tulpamancy will not lead to deficiency of host’s mental abilities and personality

9:29 PM

if you don’t have much time for forcing there are other ways, in my opinion forcing is quite counterproductive if you already know what kind of person you want your tulpa to be

9:31 PM

3. yes absolutely, in my opinion it sepeeds up their development. when they are stuck in your head they always get similar kind of stimulus. Also remember that we are social creatures, we use other people as social mirrors to learn about who we are, and that’s a big part of a tulpa’s development in my opinion. your tulpa will feel more separate if you let them have their own friends and their own experiences. Just be careful who you let your tulpa to hang out with since then other people become part of personality forcing

a couple more questions, what do you have in mind for how a tulpa would have their own friends?

on discord for example

9:34 PM

you can create them a separate discord account or use a tupperbox

I understand, thank you